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Dear Shifra,

My bathroom blog is under attack by nasty trolls. I have no problem with comments which debate the issues but when these "visitors" attack me and other commentors personally it makes me want to start waving my wand moderating the comments. Is that wimpy or is it the right thing to do?

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Dear Hermione,

I'm sorry to hear about your troll problem. I honestly can't imagine what motivates people to be so nasty.
Here are my feelings on comment moderation:
I think of my blog as my personal space - sort of like an apartment in the city, or a beach house if you will. By posting my blog up on the internet it's as if I've opened the doors to whoever would like to attend my little house party. Normally I find the type of people interested in the party I'm throwing are thoughtful and respectful and often come with drinks and snacks (or good ideas) to make the party even better.
However, with such an open door policy, once in a while I might get some sort of deranged lunatic who drops by just to make a mess of things. Perhaps he curses at my guests or falls asleep in my bathtub... Well, I wouldn't tolerate that in real life, and I certainly won't tolerate it on my blog either.

Sure, a few rude or lude comments are ok here or there to keep things interesting by when your blog is truly under seige you have to take the reins. So moderate away Hermione, wave your wand and make those nasty comments dissapear, and if your wand gets "accidently" shoved up
a troll's nose so much the better.


At 9:34 PM, Blogger Ayelet said...

Well put! Amen.

At 9:37 PM, Blogger and so it shall be... said...

Did you notice a particularly bored blogger in the five towns invoked you, Saint Shifra, the patron blogger of good advice, for guidance in his/her anguish over the rampage of redundant dopes at OM last week? I'll dig it up for you...

it was on OM's comment string last Sunday.

At 9:41 PM, Blogger and so it shall be... said...

Bored Blogger in the 5Towns said...
Dear AskShifra,

I have a big problem. I am a blogger who tries to post a new item on my blog at least once a day. For a long time, it was fun, interesting work -- especially because I maintained my focus on family, community, politics, and other topics that interest me.

Although I didn't always agree with the people who left comments, for the most part they were interesting and somewhat intelligent.

But then, just a few weeks ago, a bunch of schmucks discovered my blog and started leaving inane, poorly written, and unbearably long comments.

Making matters worse, not only were these comments pointless and offtopic, but they were highly contradictory in logic and at times highly offensive.

My question is, should I kill my blog because it's become a waste of my time, or should I quit my job and devote my days to fighting these mindless morons and showing them how moronic and mindless they truly are. Or should I just get over it?

Please respond soon. I'm so bored...


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At 10:15 PM, Blogger Shifra said...

SW- No I didn't notice that!
Saint Shifra does have a nice ring to it doesn't it?

I'm just happy to be needed.

At 12:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

When a blogger publicizes his/her critical opinions of people in her own neighborhood for all the world to see, those people have a right, even a responsibility, to defend themselves. If commenters respond rudely, it is because they were attacked first. That is the risk nasty bloggers take when attacking people, and that is why these cowards remain anonymous, taking potshots at unsuspecting people from behind their screen names. Y

At 3:14 AM, Blogger Jameel @ The Muqata said...

Uh Oh...Looks like the Orthononymous Trolls are starting to lurk here as well.

At 9:39 AM, Blogger Elie said...

I had one yesterday. I was courteous but firm with him. Don't know if that works or not. But then again, I don't want to directly attack and risk getting troll bogies on my wand!

At 10:01 AM, Blogger and so it shall be... said...

"At 12:35 AM, Anonymous said...
When a blogger publicizes his/her critical opinions of people in her own neighborhood for all the world to see, those people have a right, even a responsibility, to defend themselves. If commenters respond rudely, it is because they were attacked first. That is the risk nasty bloggers take when attacking people, and that is why these cowards remain anonymous, taking potshots at unsuspecting people from behind their screen names. Y"

So I'm assuming that Y is this person's first AND last name. Right? What a load of "phony rhetoric."

At 12:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

SW, is that your defense - another attack? I am not a troll. I rarely comment. The "Y" was a typo, not my screen name. I don't see why I need to use my own name when no one else does, and no matter what any critical commenter would say, all you anonymous bloggers who stick up for each other no matter what would would just launch personal attacks. My comment wasn't rude, just critical of certain bloggers' behavior, and defensive of those that feel they were attacked and forced to respond accordingly. The blogger who deliberately and publicly knocks others is not the victim here.
SW, sometimes your comments are so concise and hit the nail on the head, but in this case, your comment was impolite and uncalled for.

At 1:00 PM, Blogger Scraps said...

Yay for comment moderation. And wands being shoved up trolls' noses.

*thumbs-up to Shifra*

At 1:38 PM, Blogger StepIma said...

makes sense to me

I am still glad for blogs that allow anonymous commenting, and don't insist that everyone be registered -- you get a better range of opinions. And sometimes the person you think is a troll is just a shy person who doesn't realize their stick is pointy. I ended up making a couple of friends that way... taking criticisms just seriously enough to try to talk things out before picking up my fiery sword of righteous moderation. ;)

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At 2:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sure, a few rude or lude comments are ok here or there to keep things interesting

I don't want to start a spelling flame war, but I believe the correct orthography of the word is "lewd."

I should know.

At 3:06 PM, Blogger Shifra said...

Yes "lewd" is correct- it didn't look right to me as it was.
I'm a lousy speller and acutally appreciate corrections. I will fix that now.

Back to the subject at hand:
I think the difference between being truely anon and choosing a "screen name" that you stick with, is the willingness to be accountable or consistant in your commenting. When "ayelet" for example makes comments I know where she is comming from because I've seen her comments in the past (not to mention her blog) and when I put them all together I get a sense of where she is coming from.

When a person posts as "anon" it doesn't let the blogger or other posters build a relationship with or understanding of that person. It makes misunderstandings easier. It also implies (to me) an unwillingness to be indentified or to join in the group as an accountable member... Do you see where I am going with this?

Even though it may not say "ASK SHIFRA" on my mailbox at home - bloggers know me and my work and I'm not afraid to stand behind what I say.

At 6:35 PM, Blogger Jameel @ The Muqata said...

Shifra: actually - I thought you spelled "lude" that way on purpose.

At 3:17 AM, Blogger Jack Steiner said...

Some people might be nicer if they took some 'ludes. ;)

At 10:27 AM, Blogger rockofgalilee said...

I quasi-moderate my comments. I've banned some people from posting comments on my blog and if they want to waste time typing in a long comment then I delete it and nobody gets to see what they wrote anyways.

At 7:48 PM, Blogger and so it shall be... said...

"SW, sometimes your comments are so concise and hit the nail on the head, but in this case, your comment was impolite and uncalled for."

I'm a total sucker for a compliment so I'll back down. But what went on at OM's blog last week was no different than a group of rowdy students walking onto a subway car with zero concept that they are in public and should tone down their voices and the things they are saying. it becomes a very uncomfortable feeling that everyone on that car must endure. and who needs that on a blog. People with no courtesy should not subject others to their poor manners.

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