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Wednesday, June 08, 2005

Hot or Not - Some semantics and a continuation

In order to properly continue this discussion some vocabulary needs to be nailed down.
Here's what we've learned from the last post:

1) Generally speaking snoods and baggy denim jumpers are not so hot.
2) Married women should bring a robe or pajamas along when they travel.

More to the point:
3) There is a difference between being beautiful and being hot. There is no doubt that a Jewish woman (married or not) can be beautiful, but hotness is a more complicated question.

So what does it mean to be hot? It means something different than beautiful. A child can be beautiful but cannot be "hot" I also believe that an elderly person cannot be considered "hot" although they may be beautiful. To me this means that being hot means being attractive in a more or less sexual way (depending on your interpretation.)

From an anthropological point of view it makes a lot of sense that women should have that certain unquantifiable thing that attracts men- this is what keeps the human race alive after all. However, once a Jewish woman has attracted her mate should her (potential) sexuality no longer be available for general consumption?

Many say that this is why married Orthodox women begin to cover their hair after marriage, adding another layer to her modesty to cover more of her sexuality which is now only available to her husband.

So let me add to one of my original questions:
Does the knowledge that a woman is married (with or without the hair covering) affect her hotness or air of sexuality?

What say you?


At 12:23 PM, Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

Does the knowledge that a woman is married (with or without the hair covering) affect her hotness or air of sexuality
all of this is subjective.Forming opinions based upon subjective feelings or intuitions, not upon observation or reasoning, which can be influenced by preconception; coming more from within the observer resulting from or pertaining to personal mindsets or experience, arising from perceptive mental conditions within the brain and hormones.i had a ex-con in one of my facilities,and he used to say eight is too late.now that made me sick but it got him off.

At 12:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok fair enough.
I'm really only asking for people's personal opinion here anyway since with a subjective matter like this it's all you can ask for anyway.

At 5:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Does the knowledge that a woman is married (with or without the hair covering) affect her hotness or air of sexuality?"

Personal opinion? Ok. It doesn't affect her hotness to me if she's married. I do try not to think about her hotness since she is married, and I'm married ... happily ...to someone else. Maybe I'll make a mental acknowledgement of "hottie" and move on.

At 10:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I was a little girl, my Aunt Debi had a wig that she kept on her dresser, sitting on a plastic mold. She used to let me brush it. I thought the wig was amazing! In my mind, it was Debi's REAL hair, even though she only wore it on Shabbos.

The rest of the week, she wore a teichel (kerchief) and it was NOT flattering. (I don't think we had snoods back then. Tightly-wrapped kerchiefs were the norm among frum women like my aunt.)

A lot of the Moms in my neighborhood were always dressed like this on the weekday: Teichel on the head, apron hiding the pregnancy bulge, long skirt, flat shoes. HOT? NOT!

At 2:31 PM, Blogger Noam S said...

1) as amshi put it very well, hot is in the mind of the beholder. Anyone can be hot in the eyes of some other person.

2) However, the usual connotation of hot implies that the hottie is issuing some sort of signal that she is somewhat available, flirting, or at least conscious of her attractiveness. Therefore, women who are very demure in dress and attitude are not usually considered hot, while those may not be classically beautiful, but have an aura about them, are considered hot. That is why posture is considered by many experts to be a key to attractiveness. Women with good posture who convey confidence are more likely to be considered attractive than those who slouch and exhibit poor self confidence.

In answer to your question, hopefully any person with religious values would immediately turn off the hot or not consideration when faced with a married woman, and try to think of something else. We do have that commandment against coveting thy neighbors wife.

At 6:29 AM, Blogger Vilda Chaya said...

Yeah, I'm with Amshi on this, feelings are feelings, reason is reason. Knowing something and having that knowledge affect your feelings are entirely different things. That ice cream would make me fat. Yeah, but it's soooo tasty. Doesn't mean I'd eat it, but I'd still think about it. What was I talking about? Oh yeah, women. Have you seen the women at tzinus.com? You can tell me they're married. I'd say, how nice. Fine lookin' ladies, make those snoods look good.


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